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*'''Code names''' pre-war: LOOGI = LOOHW + ELMAR, LOODU = LOOHW + SOORE, LOOSB = LOOHW + XEMOO; post-war: LOOPN = LOOHW + ELMAR, LOOKX = LOOHW + SOORE, LOOIT = LOOHW + SOOIA [http://www.farines-photo.com/tech/leica/screwmount/index.html per Farines List] Note: LOOHW is the code name for the [[Leica IIIf]] body as well as IIIc depending on the date of the catalog: [[Leica IIIc]] < 1951 > [[Leica IIIf]]. As a further complication, LOOHW was also used for "30x slip-on magnifier for focusing stage" in the [http://www.cameramanuals.org/leica_pdf/leica_accessory_guide.pdf Leica 1984 Accessory Guide].
*'''Code names''' - LOOHW* (body only) + LOOZS (gray military body)
:LOOGI = LOOHW + ELMAR ([[Elmar (I) f= 5 cm 1:3.5]])
:LOODU = LOOHW + SOORE ([[Summitar f= 5 cm 1:2 ]])
:LOOSB = LOOHW + XEMOO ([[Xenon f= 5 cm 1:1.5 ]])
:LOOPN-B 65101 = LOOHW + ELMAR ([[Elmar (I) f= 5 cm 1:3.5]]) - 1950 NY Catalog
:LOOKX-B 65101 = LOOHW + SOORE ([[Summitar f= 5 cm 1:2 ]]) - 1950 NY Catalog
:LOOIT-B 65089 = LOOHW + SOOIA ([[Summarit f= 5 cm 1:1.5]]) - 1950 NY Catalog<br> *Note: LOOHW is the code name for the [[Leica IIIf]] body as well as IIIc depending on the date of the catalog. As a further complication, LOOHW was also used for "30x slip-on magnifier for focusing stage" in the [http://www.cameramanuals.org/leica_pdf/leica_accessory_guide.pdf Leica 1984 Accessory Guide].  
 
*'''Production era''' - 1940-1951; 133,626 [http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/leica/sm/leicasm.htm cameras]
*'''Production era''' - 1940-1951; 133,626 [http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/leica/sm/leicasm.htm cameras]
*'''Evolution''' - Body was diecast and the top plate and rangefinder cover are in one piece making the camera 1/8" wider than previous versions
*'''Evolution''' - Body was diecast and the top plate and rangefinder cover are in one piece making the camera 1/8" wider than previous versions
*'''Variants''' - Postwar version without the small step under the A-R lever; some postwar cameras were fitted with a rougher vulcanite body covering, referred to as "Sharkskin" (SH); German Army Wehrmacht Heer W.H. engraved cameras (WH), the first post-war group has inferior chrome plating; some are in black paint
*'''Variants''' - Postwar version without the small step under the A-R lever; some postwar cameras were fitted with a rougher vulcanite body covering, referred to as "Sharkskin" (SH); German Army Wehrmacht Heer W.H. engraved cameras (WH), Luftwaffen-Eigentum (LE) and Leitz-Eigentum (L.E), the first post-war group has inferior chrome plating; a few are in black (509174) or grey paint; some are engraved 'N-L' for Odin, Leitz agency for the Netherlands
*'''Body''' - aluminum with chrome plated brass top plate, base plate and knobs   
*'''Body''' - aluminum with chrome plated brass top plate, base plate and knobs   
*'''Size''' L x W x H - 136 x 39 x 65 mm / 5.35 x 1.54 x 2.60 in
*'''Size''' L x W x H - 136 x 39 x 65 mm / 5.35 x 1.54 x 2.60 in
*'''Brochures'''
*'''Manuals & brochures'''
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/images/5/56/Leica_IIIc_cs.pdf 1949 (in German)]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/images/7/7b/Leitz-NY_Price_List_10-1950.pdf 1950 NY Price List.pdf]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/images/5/56/Leica_IIIc_cs.pdf 1949 Instructions.pdf (in German)]
 
== Comment ==
 
*'''On the street''' - €EU 3,800 (WH) in 2015
*'''Reviews'''
**[http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Leica_IIIc Camerapedia IIIc]
**[http://www.dantestella.com/technical/britishintel.html British Intelligence]
*'''Forum discussion'''
*'''Forum discussion'''
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/11366-my-new-leica-iiic.html] [http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/11366-my-new-leica-iiic-2.html]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/11366-my-new-leica-iiic.html] [http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/11366-my-new-leica-iiic-2.html]
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**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/40298-my-iiic-one-year-long-post.html in use]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/40298-my-iiic-one-year-long-post.html in use]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/79588-little-12-a.html JCB's a little...IIIc]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/79588-little-12-a.html JCB's a little...IIIc]
*'''Reviews'''
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/180510-fontenelle-archives-76-discovery-italian-leicas.html Fontenelle archive 76a] [http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/180633-fontenelle-archives-76-bis-iiib-r.html 76b]
**[http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Leica_IIIc Camerapedia IIIc]
**[http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/185434-fontenelle-archives-85-gray-leica-iiic.html Fontenelle archive 85]  
**[http://www.dantestella.com/technical/britishintel.html British Intelligence]


== Leica IIIc Serial Numbers ==
== Leica IIIc Serial Numbers ==
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!Batch
!Batch
|-
|-
|360101||367000||Leica IIIc ||1940||6900
|360101||367000||Leica IIIc (NL+LE)||1940||6900
|-
|-
|367001||^367325||Leica IIIc ^(assumed IIId) ||1941-1944||(325)^
|367001||^367325||Leica IIIc ^(assumed IIId) ||1941-1944||[325]^
|-
|-
|367001||387503||Leica IIIc (WH)||1941-1942||20503
|367325||387503||Leica IIIc (chrom+WH+LE)||1941-1942||20179
|-
|-
|387504||388926||Leica IIIc (grey)**||1941-1942||1423**
|387504||388926||Leica IIIc (grey)**||1941-1942||1423**
|-
|-
|388927||397608||Leica IIIc ||1943-1946||8682
|388927||397650||Leica IIIc (grey+WH+LE)**||1943-1946||8724
|--
|-
|400001*||440000||Leica IIIc ||1946-1947||40000
|400000||440000||Leica IIIc (chrom+SH-chrom)||1946-1947||40001
|-
|-
|450000||450000||Leica IIIc ||1949||1
|450000||450000||Leica IIIc ||1949||1
|-
|-
|460001||520000||Leica IIIc (SH)||1951||60000
|460001||520000||Leica IIIc (chrom+SH-chrom+black+L.E)||1951||60000
|-
|-
|524001||525000||Leica IIIc ||1950-1951||1000
|524001||525000||Leica IIIc ||1950-1951||1000
|-
|-
|TOTAL||ASSIGNED||SERIAL NUMBERS ||1940-1951||131,609
|TOTAL||ASSIGNED||SERIAL NUMBERS ||1940-1951||138,228
|-
|-
Serial numbers compiled from [http://www.imx.nl/photo/downloads/files/leicapocket_pod1.pdf Puts Pocket Pod]<br>
Serial numbers compiled from [http://www.imx.nl/photo/downloads/files/leicapocket_pod1.pdf Puts Pocket Pod]<br>
.* and data from [http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/leica/sm/leicasm.htm Pacific Rim Camera]<br>
.* and data from [http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/leica/sm/leicasm.htm Pacific Rim Camera]<br>
.** per Schouten<br>
.** per Schouten + Westlicht<br>
^ Cameras 367008, 367033, 367093 & 367108 are [[Leica IIId]]  
^ Cameras 367008, 367033, 367093 & 367108 are [[Leica IIId]]  
|}
|}

Latest revision as of 18:29, 3 February 2015

IIIc-dwg.jpg IIIc-top.jpg

  • Code names - LOOHW* (body only) + LOOZS (gray military body)
LOOGI = LOOHW + ELMAR (Elmar (I) f= 5 cm 1:3.5)
LOODU = LOOHW + SOORE (Summitar f= 5 cm 1:2 )
LOOSB = LOOHW + XEMOO (Xenon f= 5 cm 1:1.5 )
LOOPN-B 65101 = LOOHW + ELMAR (Elmar (I) f= 5 cm 1:3.5) - 1950 NY Catalog
LOOKX-B 65101 = LOOHW + SOORE (Summitar f= 5 cm 1:2 ) - 1950 NY Catalog
LOOIT-B 65089 = LOOHW + SOOIA (Summarit f= 5 cm 1:1.5) - 1950 NY Catalog
*Note: LOOHW is the code name for the Leica IIIf body as well as IIIc depending on the date of the catalog. As a further complication, LOOHW was also used for "30x slip-on magnifier for focusing stage" in the Leica 1984 Accessory Guide.
  • Production era - 1940-1951; 133,626 cameras
  • Evolution - Body was diecast and the top plate and rangefinder cover are in one piece making the camera 1/8" wider than previous versions
  • Variants - Postwar version without the small step under the A-R lever; some postwar cameras were fitted with a rougher vulcanite body covering, referred to as "Sharkskin" (SH); German Army Wehrmacht Heer W.H. engraved cameras (WH), Luftwaffen-Eigentum (LE) and Leitz-Eigentum (L.E), the first post-war group has inferior chrome plating; a few are in black (509174) or grey paint; some are engraved 'N-L' for Odin, Leitz agency for the Netherlands
  • Body - aluminum with chrome plated brass top plate, base plate and knobs
  • Size L x W x H - 136 x 39 x 65 mm / 5.35 x 1.54 x 2.60 in
  • Manuals & brochures

Comment

Leica IIIc Serial Numbers

Serial numbers compiled from Puts Pocket Pod
.* and data from Pacific Rim Camera
.** per Schouten + Westlicht
^ Cameras 367008, 367033, 367093 & 367108 are Leica IIId
SN Start SN End Product Year Batch
360101 367000 Leica IIIc (NL+LE) 1940 6900
367001 ^367325 Leica IIIc ^(assumed IIId) 1941-1944 [325]^
367325 387503 Leica IIIc (chrom+WH+LE) 1941-1942 20179
387504 388926 Leica IIIc (grey)** 1941-1942 1423**
388927 397650 Leica IIIc (grey+WH+LE)** 1943-1946 8724
400000 440000 Leica IIIc (chrom+SH-chrom) 1946-1947 40001
450000 450000 Leica IIIc 1949 1
460001 520000 Leica IIIc (chrom+SH-chrom+black+L.E) 1951 60000
524001 525000 Leica IIIc 1950-1951 1000
TOTAL ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBERS 1940-1951 138,228
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